The Ironic Curtain

Soviet Foreign Policy, 1917-1941
By George Frost Kennan
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One of the things I mentioned in a discussion with @mtngirlsouth on @SimianMusings post about the Presidential election is how many similarities there are when you compare Russia’s situation prior to its collapse and the current situation of the U.S.  In one of my comments, I pointed out that some nations have been able to maintain socialist economies fairly well, like Germany or Norway, but they take a very different approach than we have.  We’ve been taking more of the approach that the Soviet Union did, spreading ourselves too thin in lots of foreign countries, engaging in massive military R&D projects we really can’t afford, and creating top-heavy bureaucracies that ultimately create a situation in which the economy simply cannot support the weight of the state no matter how good an economy it is.

As it turns out, I’m not the only one who has noticed how much the decline of the U.S. looks like the decline of Russia.  This guy lived through the collapse of Russia and wants to provide others with tips for living through the impending economic collapse of the U.S.  He has some very good tips for it, unsurprisingly.  Experience is an excellent teacher.



I do not look forward to economic collapse any more than anyone else, but I do appreciate the immense irony that it is happening in my country in much the same way that it happened to our nation’s political and economic opponents of so many decades.  Of course, most people are either too complacent, too ill-informed, or too busy going about their daily lives to really stop and consider the situation we’re in according to those so-called experts at MIT.  Even if the U.S. does not suffer an economic collapse within the next few years (which I would be very glad to avoid), the world simply can’t sustain our population growth and demand for immediate gratification with fancy toys.  And even if we manage to avoid the consequences of our population growth and prodigious resource consumption, we’re on track for an ecological meltdown in the next couple centuries.

The good news about the inevitable large reality check we’ll be getting is that it will help us correct our course and chart a sustainable path forward.  The bad news is that a lot of people will be dying and suffering tragically during that process of correction.

My advice is that we collectively need to act now rather than later to move towards sustainability and prevent the catastrophic events.  I’d prefer not to have a doomsday scenario play out just so I can say, “I told you so” to all the corpses. 

Your other option is of course to just ignore the man behind the ironic curtain, which is I suspect what a lot of folks will do.

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11 Responses to The Ironic Curtain

  1. mtngirlsouth says:

    I agree that most folks will ignore this kind of thing. I recon it is so scary that people would rather not face it – which is the stupidest possible reaction, but that’s what they do. 

  2. Nous_Apeiron says:

    @mtngirlsouth – Exactly right.  The ever-predictable ostrich approach.  But it could be a good thing if you consider that they are at least starting the first step of the grieving process (denial) so that eventually they can deal with it.

  3. The Doomsday scenario will play out in the worst possible way because everyone wants the sacrifice to come from someone else.  Add to that “leaders” (and I use that term loosely) who basically base their actions on polling data rather than what they know needs to be done, and it’s safe to say the collapse will be as bad as it could be if not worse than many predict.  The end result will not be a “reset” but a tyranny.  Our Republic is already the walking dead.  All it’s waiting for is a bullet to the head to finish it off.

  4. Nous_Apeiron says:

    @SimianMusings – Good points.  The leaders who are not willing to take the risks of a true leader disturb me as well.  They would rather play it safe and enjoy life while they can than make the hard decisions necessary for our country’s survival.  So do you think our nation is headed for a secular military dictatorship?

  5. @Nous_Apeiron – Not military.  We don’t have a history of our military involving itself in politics.  I won’t rule out that our military, in the event of a societal collapse would not rally behind a leader who might emerge who can demonstrate he can turn things around, but I don’t think that the military would try to take over itself.

  6. Nous_Apeiron says:

    @SimianMusings – Fair points.  So who do you see as more likely to try to fill the power vacuum?

  7. @Nous_Apeiron – Have no idea.  If you’d ask folks from my church, they’d probably guess the Anti-Christ.  I’m not going to discount that it might be an international leader since I believe the coming crash is going to be international, not something limited to this country.But keeping it rational and limited to the United States, I’m not sure there will be a United States when it is done.  I think the country coming apart is a definite possibility.  And I doubt very much our military would be capable of keeping it together simply because it relies far too much on the State’s National Guards to supply a significant portion of it’s fighting strength.  I doubt very much a Governor is going to authorize State troops going to another State if the other State or region secedes. 

  8. Nous_Apeiron says:

    @SimianMusings – So you’re suggesting that we may end up with the states largely intact.  That would be a good thing, as far as I can tell.Personally, I suspect we would see the large corporations who already have a lot of influence on national decision-making try to step in and restore order by allying themselves with the military and supplying them while protecting their own assets by contracting with PMCs.

  9. @Nous_Apeiron – One of my gaming groups favorite past times is to try and come up with scenarios for things like this.  Right now the general consensus is that we’re going to split up along geographical/political lines.  New England will go one way, the Southeast another.  Some States (Texas comes to mind) could go their own way (Alaska and Hawaii could also, and both already have relatively influential secessionist movements in their respective States).  Most States could not do this, however, and would have to go the geographical association route.And one of the little known agreements that the United States entered into with Canada and Mexico is a clause which allows any of the signatories to call upon the military of the others to aid in “internal disturbances.”  Not that I think we need to worry about either military since both are a joke, but it is there.  Desperate times call for desperate measures.

  10. whyzat says:

    I’m not arguing with anything you’ve said, I just want to mention that this has happened time and again throughout human history. Most notably, the Roman Empire. Everything that goes up, has to come down. And, like you say, down equals chaos. We never learn.

  11. Nous_Apeiron says:

    @whyzat – Also a good point.  We don’t even learn from fairly recent history, quite aside from the declining Roman Empire having many similarities to the declining American Empire.

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